16th meeting of the MIG technical sub-group

Thursday, 26nd of February 2015, 10:00-11:30 CET

Virtual meetings - Connection details

Agenda

Call for agenda items and presentations: #2329

[10:00-10:10] Welcome and approval of the agenda (Michael Lutz)

[10:10-10:20] Minutes of the previous meeting (for discussion and agreement) (Michael Lutz)

[10:20-10:45] XML schema update - Status (Michael Lutz)

[10:45-11:00] Discussion: Fitness for purpose of INSPIRE for building applications - gazetteer examples (Michael Lutz)

[11:00-11:15] Agenda of the Madrid meeting

[11:15-11:25] Issues for discussion from MIWP actions

  • MIWP-8

[11:25-11:30] AOB

  • Report for all active work packages on their current status (ahead of schedule, on schedule, behind schedule)

DRAFT Minutes

Preface

The minutes are based on the notes taken in the web-conference chat window by the scribe as well as comments made by participants in the chat.

Where “+1” is used in the minutes, this is to indicate support for the position of the previous speaker.

Actions

Actions are indicated in the minutes using the keyword [Action] and are summarised in the table below. This table includes also open actions from previous meetings (up until action 97). 

No. Action Link Responsible Due Status
26 Share relevant events with the group   all continuous ongoing
41d Open an issue on Redmine on ensuring that all metadata that should be harvested are actually harvested, to discuss if anything needs to be changed or added to the current harvesting procedure.   JRC 2014-04-30 open
41j Send suggestions of good examples of web sites to Karen #2244 All 2014-05-30 open
42 Investigate how openly accessible issue trackers can be made available (in Redmine?) for consulations and open discussions #2163 JRC 2014-06-30 open
49 Share the engineering report with the MIG-T   OGC 2014-07-31 open
57 Inform MIG representatives when the OGC wiki page on INSPIRE goes live   JRC when available open
60 Propose good practices for INSPIRE end-to-end implementation wiki page all continuous open
61 Include a section in the MIWP on the standard tasks of the MIG-T and MIG-P, including the sharing of good practices #2245 JRC next MIWP version open
63 Develop a proposal for simplifying Redmine and Redmine MIG instructions #2231 JRC & EEA 2014-11-15 open
66 Prepare an overview of possible communication topics, audiences, channels and plans   EEA 2014-11-15 open
68 Describe process for setting up MIG temporary sub-groups in some sort of guidance   JRC 2014-11-15 open
70 Develop instructions on how to use Redmine specifically for the work of the MIG and present these in a (recorded) web-conference #2231 JRC & EEA 2014-11-30 open
71 Make suggestions for improvement or specific questions on how to do certain MIG tasks with Redmine #2231 all 2014-10-31 open
72 Update the MIG ToR to allow also MIG members to participate in sub-groups   Michael 2014-10-31 open
85 Propose ToR for a subgroup around GML   Michael 2014-10-20 open
87 Provide translations of TG code list values wiki page all 2014-10-20 ongoing
90 Share DK and NO Enterprise Architect models DK model Heidi, Arvid 2014-10-31

closed (DK)

open (NO)

91 Draft ToR for MIWP-14 sub-group   Robert 2014-11-28 open
94 Write up the two options for Annex I schema updates   Michael 2014-12-22 closed
95 Consult stakeholders about two scenarios for Annex I schema updates   all 2015-01-15 closed
96 Further elaborate the MIWP-4a action description and sub-group ToR #2292 Christian 2015-01-15 ongoing
97 Describe issue about Service Monitoring of Member State endpoints being consumed by the geoportal in the issue tracker or at the next MIG-T meeting   Alex Ramage 2014-12-15 closed
99

Provide a short status update from all active MIWPs before each MIG-T meeting

  MIWP leads continuous ongoing
100

Add the SDS implementation deadlines to the INSPIRE roadmap

  JRC 2015-03-15 open

Welcome and approval of the agenda

The agenda was approved as proposed on the wiki. Christina and Michael Ö stated that they would raise some issues on the work on the MD TG update in the agenda item on MIWP-8. Alex R suggested to have a short status update (on-time, ahead of schedule, behind schedule) for each MIWP.

Minutes of the previous meeting

The current list of open issue issues was reviewed. Michael reported that the MIWP-14 sub-group ToRs are being drafted and will be discussed in Madrid.

It was agreed to go through the (long) list of open actions list in Madrid to see which ones can be closed.

There were no further comments on the draft minutes, and they adopted as they currently stand on the wiki.

XML schema update - Status

Michael presented the outcomes of the MS consultation on the approach to take for the schema updates, which is summarised in Annex_I_schema_updates_approaches_feedback.xlsx. Option 2 was unanimously preferred over option 1. However, some MS said that non backwards-compatible updates should be avoided in the future.

Draft versions of the updated schemas are available at http://inspire-testing.jrc.ec.europa.eu/schemas/ and some xml schema experts (e.g. from ELF and HALE) were asked to test them. Michael said that because of the dependencies between schemas (through schema import statements), all schemas (also Annex II+III schemas) had to be updated. The schemas will be published on the official schema repository (http://inspire.ec.europa.eu/schemas/) after some final testing at JRC (to ensure that no unintended changes were introduced when generarting the new schemas with ShapeChange).

Discussion: Fitness for purpose of INSPIRE for building applications - gazetteer examples

Michael clarified that the presented use case is not about the pan-European ODP (or open data) as such, but only the gazetteer the ODP contractor is trying to build in order to support place name-based searches in the OPD user interface. [Slides: 20150226_MIG-T.pptx]

Emilio reported that Spain is providing a WFS with INSPIRE-compliant GN data, and that it should be mandatory for EC applications to use these data for Spain. Otherwise why are we making this effort?

Alex R felt the real problem is that there are many data sets in one country and an obligation on every data provider to publish their data in compliance with INSPIRE, but no obligation to merge them into one national dataset.

Markus J said that there is already some discussion around the issues related to access control in the MIG-T (MIWP-3) and that there will be restrictions in distributing (downloading) the datasets due to legal restrictions, e.g. the federal agencies in Austria will have to sell the datasets because of legal acts. On the other hand. the WMS are free, but need some registration for access. In conclusion, Markus J said we would need an "interoperable" access (authentification, authorisation) in order to support GN harvesting.

Alex R felt that the maturity of the INSPIRE data might be another issue.

Joeri reported that in Flanders they have built a REST interface on top of the addres database. WFS is too complex for easy integration. For gazetteer purposes a POI model is used that joins address information with other location-based information. A POI REST interface allows for easy integration of INSPIRE data in location-based apps. It would be nice if we had an INSPIRE REST POI model that hides the complexity of INSPIRE data models within one common location model and provides a generic interface to end-users and integrators.

It was agreed to discuss the use case and the fitness for purpose question it poses. 

Heidi suggested to describe the 2 use cases in more detail in a short document. This could be useful to show to others, e.g. the ELF project. Then ELF could comments and maybe show how ELF could solve the described issues.

Alex R suggested a short questionnaire to identify the obstacles (including technical, organisational and legal). This will be further discussed at the Madrid meeting.

Agenda of the Madrid meeting

The draft agenda of the face-to-face meeting was discussed and the following additions agreed:

  • Carlo Cipolloni will present on data model extensions done in the eENVplus project, together with Heidi (ELF) and Darja (EEA).
  • Joeri and Emilio will present on APIs and other solutions to aid IT developers to use INSPIRE services and datasets
  • INSPIRE fitness-for-purpose based on the gazetteer discussion (see above)
  • SDS (See below)

Joeri asked about the status of the online M&R excel-to-XML convertor/validation application. Paul reported that the webform application allowing to generate the XML needed for monitoring is under test currently and will be discussed in the next MIWP-16 meeting.

Issues for discussion from MIWP actions

MIWP-8

  • Questions: Are the SDS TGs already implemented in some MS so that we need to consider backwards-compatibility?

MIWP-5

  • more or less on schedule
  • Final report on MD+NS validation available
  • work plan and assignments updated

MIWP-6

  • more or less on time
  • testbed set-up will probably take longer, testing shorter. Heidi Vanparys (GST, DK): why will the set-up take longer?
  • risk of delays for recruiting an editor for the TG

MIWP-7a

  • Subdivision of tasks (done) 
  • Introductory presentations on TG, INSPIRE/SOS implementation, D2.9 (done)
  • Study of materials from previous work (Are3na, etc.) (done)
  • First round of comments on the TG for download services (done)
  • Template for documenting use cases (in draft)

MIWP-8

  • Most issues are progressing well. SDS issues are still behind
  • First draft slightly delayed, but probably with some issues missing
  • People find working with Word doc easier than with wiki and issue tracker
  • Still working towards the May deadline for version 1

MIWP-14: continuous activity, ToR for sub-group delayed

MIWP-16:

  • Prototype is almost ready; to be demonstrated in Madrid
  • Still left to do: paperwork - proposal for changes of TG and  maybeIR

MIWP-21:

  • continuous activity
  • workshop in January
  • regular information from DG ENV about meetings and progress in other environmental policies (e.g. related to reporting)

It was agreed to have such a short status update from all active MIWPs before each MIG-T meeting. [Action all MIWP leaders]

AOB

Markus J suggested to add the SDS implementation deadlines to the INSPIRE roadmap [Action JRC]

Annex_I_schema_updates_approaches_feedback.xlsx - Summary of MS feedback on Annex I schema updates (23.5 KB) Michael Lutz, 26 Feb 2015 04:27 pm

20150226_MIG-T.pptx - Discussion on gazetteer use cases (628 KB) Michael Lutz, 26 Feb 2015 04:29 pm